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                <text>Recording by Don Duncan, made November 26th, 1990, comprising two older recordings.&#13;
(01:16) The first is of Jack and Bill Duncan (Don's father), made in 1967. The two men reminisce about their early days in Canada. Jack [John] was born in 1896 and Bill in 1889. They arrived in Deseronto in late 1906 and worked for the Rathbun Company for a short while, having been brought in to break a strike. They were originally from the Midlands in England and were a family with five children, the youngest being four months old.&#13;
Bill recalls arriving in Napanee and waiting for a flat car to take them down the company's railroad track to Deseronto and the poor state of the property they were initially housed in (03:00). Bill thought it was a chicken house – and there were rats in the place.&#13;
Bill bought a kettle for 75 cents. His father told him to take it back, as it was three shillings in English money. Bill refused to take it back, so they had tea made in the tin kettle, as they didn't have a teapot.&#13;
(04:49)They moved into a house across the street and got hold of furniture and a woodstove. Their father, John, worked at bringing up logs from the water, while Bill worked in the sash and door factory for the Rathbun Company.&#13;
(05:54) There had been a strike in Deseronto and the Duncans were being used as strike breakers. The winters were bad – snow piled high so that you couldn't see people walking on the other side of the street.&#13;
(07:00) Jack's teacher donated a basket of groceries for the family's first Christmas in Canada.&#13;
(08:19) Bill was laid off because he asked for $1.50 a day instead of $1.25. His father was laid off shortly afterwards. He worked at a charcoal-bagging firm for a few weeks. They were both out of work for a few weeks.&#13;
(10:45) They walked to Corbyville to the cement works but couldn't get work there. They nearly got run over by a train. They stayed in a boarding house in Belleville and had sausages and fried potatoes for breakfast. They got work on construction sites in Corbyville for $2 a day each.&#13;
(13:15) They went home for Christmas with the money they'd saved. It was a good Christmas – two ducks and a Christmas pudding were cooked on the old woodstove, with difficulty. Jack got in trouble for eating the leftover duck while the rest of the family were out.&#13;
(14:45) They got the wood for the stove from the Rathbun mill for about a dollar and tried to dry it at the back of the stove.&#13;
(15:25) Both the men were out of work after Christmas. Maria worked as a housekeeper for ten cents an hour. A pound of butter was 21 cents, eggs 15 cents a dozen and a whole calf's liver was 5 cents.&#13;
(16:40) John and other unemployed men were set to work by the Town breaking rocks with a manual drill. Bill couldn't bear to watch, because he feared his father would be hit with a sledgehammer. John was employed to go out on the frozen Bay in a cutter for a day but didn't get paid.&#13;
(19:30) Bill worked at a farm, splitting wood, and was paid with a bag of potatoes worth 50 cents. When he got home his shoelaces were frozen solid.&#13;
(21:40) Bill and his father worked at the iron works. John was unloading coke. Bill got a night job there breaking up slag at the furnace and dumping it in the Bay.&#13;
(24:13) They walked to Point Anne to see if they needed any workers.&#13;
(24:50) The authorities in Deseronto told the family that there was work in Stirling.&#13;
(25:57) Memories of Jim Wilson, an East End Cockney. He and Bill would go to the Post Office in Deseronto and stand in front of the radiators there in front of the windows for an hour or two to warm up.&#13;
(27:13) Bill rolled his own cigarettes with Betty Blue tobacco.&#13;
(28:04) The family stayed in Deseronto until May 1907, then moved to Stirling. Bill and John went to Stirling first to meet the Reeve (Mather), who ran the general store in Stirling. They got to know the Reverend F. A. Robinson in Stirling. John got work almost immediately. Bill got work with the village blacksmith, Burkitt. He and his father were also involved in building a house for a man called Ward in Stirling, for $1.50 a day.&#13;
(30:50) They got a house opposite St. Andrew's Church in Stirling. Bill worked for the blacksmith until the following May. The Clydesdale horses used to fall asleep on him when he lifted their hind leg.&#13;
(32:29) Memories of people in Stirling: Les Kennedy, Don Burn, Andy Anderson, Jessie Montgomery ("a blonde bomber"). &#13;
(33:26) John Duncan used a team of horses to clear an old cemetery in Stirling to make way for a park.&#13;
(34:20) Jack worked in the General Store, where they operated a barter system for farmers. Bill got interested in joining the ministry.&#13;
(36:40) Discussed why they left England: John was a shoemaker who was involved in the trade union movement, which made it hard for him to get work. Bill was the only one working, earning 26 shillings a week. It was their mother, Maria, who was the biggest influence on the family's decision to leave England. Bill thinks it was a good decision, as the family is now professional and better off than they would have been in England.&#13;
(41:50) Very quiet discussion about Art [Arthur Duncan, born 1904] who worked in Stirling.&#13;
(45:15) Maria Duncan singing 'The Man who Broke the Bank at Monte Carlo' in the 1950s.&#13;
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              <text>0.00 Family came to Deseronto from Earlton, Ontario in 1916, when Gord was four. Family had moved there in 1800, where they operated a sawmill. Father heard of the Rathbun Company, so sold up and moved to Deseronto. Two of Gord’s siblings died at birth. He had three brothers and two sister who survived.&#13;
2.20 [Arrival of Gord’s son, Gordon A. Burley and explanation about oral history project.] Gord’s family had a house next to the site of Ideal Vendors [on Mechanic Street]. The Maracle family lived opposite them.&#13;
03.54 Memories of Deseronto Public School: both Burleys went to the old Public School. Gord remembered the washrooms being added and there were six rooms when he went to the school. He remembered Manley Ostrander. Both Gord and Gordon A. remembered being hit with a strap by teachers there.&#13;
07.00 Gord’s parents were Edgar and Alice Burley. Edgar ran the grist mill in Deseronto (now Hudson’s Mill). ‘Peanut’ Allen ran the mill before Edgar Burley and Edgar sold it to John Clark, who sold it to Arnold Hudson. Mention of Cecil Root working for Edgar Burley and the fact that the mill had a blacksmith’s shop and a livery stables.&#13;
10.42 Gord was never allowed to go to Naylor’s Theatre. Remembered paying 10c or 15c to see movies there. Discussed the condition of the theatre. Gordon A. remembered farmers tying up their horses outside the grist mill and the liquor store. Their house in Green Street had no bathroom.&#13;
13.33 Gord remembered dancing around a maypole at the school on May 24th. Bill Houle had to go home for lunch,  he would run home, gulp down a sandwich and run back to school so that he didn’t miss the ball game. Gord didn’t attend the High School in Deseronto and Gordon A. went to school in Belleville.&#13;
14.53 After school Gord worked at Riggs’s garage in Belleville [224 Pinnacle Street] from 1933 to the 1940s. Gordon A. worked there, too, as did Archie and Henry Burley [Gord’s brothers]. Gord describes what work there was like. They had Safeway tandem-axle buses which would get caught in the railway tracks on Pinnacle Street. No snow ploughs in those days – just ruts in the snow, with only enough room for one vehicle to pass. Gord was driving a Maxwell four-cylinder touring car and couldn’t afford the $2 license fee, so they rented out a room of their house for $5 a month to a couple who were studying at the college. This reduced the Burleys rent to $10. The students both had paper rounds which was how they paid the $5 rent.&#13;
21.15 Memories of the Depression: making clothes. People only had three sets of clothes. Everyone was poor. Some people would steal coal from the wharf: you could see who, from the black smoke coming from their chimneys.&#13;
23.18 Gord remembers two men who brought English wives back after World War Two. Brief discussion about the Rathbun industries on the waterfront. Gord remembers the Clapperton glass factory and the Eddy Match factory. Dawson’s Marina was built on the site of match factory.&#13;
26.10 Gord remembers shoe, grocery and feed stores. Edgar Burley would buy a carload of grain for the mill. Gordon A. worked for Ed Roach, the butcher. There were nine grocery stores in Deseronto, two or three ice cream parlours. One of them was Malley’s and there was another next to it. Geddes’ was on Fourth Street. McCullough’s was another drug store on Main Street, next to the Coles’ barber’s shop. People arriving on ships would get a shave and a haircut at the barber’s and even get a bath there. A Chinese man had a lunch counter next to the barber’s shop in the 1950s.&#13;
30.50 Entertainment: when Gord was at the Public School the children kept the creek behind the school shovelled clear and skated on it with ‘spring’ skates [which clamped onto boots] in the 1920s. Gordon A. played hockey on the outdoor rink on Edmon Street. Dr McVicker used to take the boys to hockey matches elsewhere. There were three blacksmiths shops in Deseronto, Mellor’s was the one near the United Church and another was Parry. There was harness racing on the bay in the winter, which kept the blacksmiths busy.&#13;
34.20 Edgar Burley moved a house from the site of the Deseronto Iron Works to Belleville. One part was carried up the bay on the ice, but they had trouble getting it off the ice. So they carried the other part along the highway. The house is still there, on Henry Street in Belleville.&#13;
36.30 The Burleys were members of the United Church. Gord’s parents were Brethren and attended the Gospel Hall. The hall was moved by the Burleys and so was the house on the highway where Burley’s Motors was established. Archie Burley had the Quinte Fuel business down on Mill Street. Gordon A. remembered cutting the ice with a saw from the bay. He worked for Archie for a while. Gord’s wife was from Belleville and was called Lena Westfall. Her nephew is Eddie Westfall (b.1940), who played for the Boston Bruins and New York Islanders in the 1960s and 1970s.&#13;
39.55 Riggs’s sold the Whippet car. They had no heaters and it took five or six hours to bring them from Toronto to Belleville. They used to make autotractors, too: cars with the back wheels removed to turn them into a tractor. Archie Burley built a snowmobile out of a Model T Ford for his father, who had a 30-mile mail run. They took the mail out on Saturdays.&#13;
44.00 Archie Burley, who is 103, said that the family came to Deseronto because they were sick of fighting fires. The family hid in the well to avoid the fire. Discussion about Gord’s walking stick, which has a brass inset made from a horse’s hame (part of a horse’s harness). Talked about the Drydens, who were harness makers. &#13;
47.30 Gord moved back to Deseronto from Belleville in 1943 to work for Archie for the next 23 years at Burley’s Motors on Highway 2. It was very cold in the building in the winter. Had to keep the gasoline pump area clear of snow in the winter. They sold Chrysler and General Motors cars from that garage. Discussion about railway stations in Deseronto. Gord says that there are the remains of the Deseronto Junction station at the end of Cecil Root’s farm. &#13;
52.57 Gordon A. remembers there being boxes of First World War uniforms and wooden horses in the barn by the match factory when he was a boy in the 1940s. He worked at Deseronto Electronics and made radios for a while as an apprentice. Gord (senior) earned $15 a week at that factory and worked from seven in the morning until six at night, and Sundays and holidays with no overtime. His pay went up to $18 when he got married at the age of 19 (his wife was 18). Discussion of Larry Brown who worked there as service manager and who was a member of the Club Commodore Orchestra in Belleville.&#13;
56.37 Archie Burley closed up his garage in 1946 and Gord got a job at the service centre on the 401 east of Napanee. Had uniforms made for the mechanics in Toronto. Worked there in a very hot summer and wanted to leave because it would be cold in the winter. He went to Ideal Vendors for a job and stayed there for ten years, until the plant shut down.&#13;
58.32 Gord went to Gibbards in Napanee after that, where he worked until he was 65: a good place to work. The service centre Gord worked at has now been torn down and replaced. Discussed the history of the 401 and the days before it was fully open and the speed trap in Deseronto in 1951 operated by Harry Pratt which caused a controversy then, making news in Toronto. Harry got Gordon A. a job as an expediter for heavy equipment at the H. K. Ferguson fibre plant in Millhaven.&#13;
01.04.19 The Burleys moved from Deseronto to east of Marysville to a 50 acre farm: Gord didn’t enjoy farming so went to Belleville to work at Riggs’s garage. Edgar Burley built a house there (land was purchased from the Campbell family) which is still standing.&#13;
01.05.52 Discussion of Reg and Don Dawson’s ownership of Foresters’ Island. Then, a lot of Americans owned cottages there. The Dawsons hoped to supply water to the town from the island, but it turned out to be contaminated with iron. Rathbun’s farm discussed, and the Town garage on Prince Street, which was owned by Don Dawson as part of his dealership and moved to Deseronto by him. Gordon A. used to be a pilot but spent most of his career in car dealership. Gord has got 10 great-great-grandchildren. Gord used to shovel snow off the rink in Deseronto.&#13;
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              <text>0.00 Born in Deseronto. Left in 1967 for four years, came back in 1970 and then left again in 1981. Now live in Alberta. Have lived in the Yukon Territory and in Saskatchewan. Marvin's family were from Hay Bay and his great-great-grandfather was the first cobbler in Prince Edward County. Arrived at the same time as the UELs, as did the Sharpes (grandmother's family, who were originally in South Carolina). The Brooks came to Deseronto at the turn of the twentieth century. Marvin's grandfather, Percy Brooks, was a jack-knife carpenter, a peddler and ran the pump house in Deseronto when he was in his seventies and ran a wood yard for many years in Fourth Street, next to the United Church. Marvin remembers playing in the wood piles as a child.&#13;
2.55 Talked about his father being a carpenter and high-pressure welder, who worked at Strathcona and also at the Dravo yard in Deseronto, where he was involved with cutting up lake and river ships after the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway. Dravo was situated where the marina is now. He then went to work at Canada Optical for many years.&#13;
4.25 Keith Brooks was born on Fourth Street and he bought the store that had been Gardner's 5 and 10c store in 1975 (next to the CIBC bank) – it was Brooks's Junior Department Store.&#13;
5.50 Linda's family came to Deseronto in the 1950s. Her stepfather, Blake Moore, was a commercial fisherman (one of four in Deseronto at the time). He saved a child who had fallen into a well. Was illiterate, tough and grumpy! Linda remembers repairing hoop nets for mudcats. She sold skinned and cleaned mudcats house-to-house for 15c a pound. There were six-foot long eels and turtles you could ride on.&#13;
9.23 Memories of the controversy in Deseronto about whether the high school children should be sent to Belleville or Napanee to school, when the school in Deseronto shut. &#13;
11.09 Memories of the public school – Linda ringing the bell, Marvin being allowed to flood the rink. Marvin discusses the way that teaching was changing in the 1960s.&#13;
13.34 Swimming at the pump house all summer long. Every empty lot had kids playing baseball: there was no soccer then. Once you were old enough, you were working on the farms picking berries and tomatoes. Once you were 15 and lied about your age you worked at Metcalfe's. Softball and bowling were big things. The boys often worked as pinboys at the bowling alley, being paid 5c a game for 5-pin and 10c a game for 10-pin. They made $3 or $4 a night.&#13;
15.00 Marvin spent his money on his bicycle. Linda worked at Naylor's Theatre on the candy counter and making popcorn. No-one watched the movies – they went there to neck with their girlfriends and boyfriends. Linda also worked at one of the restaurants.&#13;
16.50 Memories of music at the outdoor rink: Hank Snow. There was a carnival on the ice every year, where people dressed up, the rink was decorated. Linda's parents lived opposite the rink and kept an eye on Marvin to make sure that he wasn’t putting his arm around Linda.&#13;
18.30 Linda remembered making igloos in the snow around the rink. The Fire Department, Legion and Lions all had jamborees in the park in the summer. The road by the Post Office was blocked off sometimes for street dances. Church picnics, everyone went to church, whether they were religious or not. Everyone shared a common set of values and did the same things. Families now are much more geographically distributed.&#13;
22.07 Everyone worked and lived together as a community – there wasn't such a big distinction between the Mohawks and the non-Mohawks as there is now. Marvin described how the two communities' police officers would work together, sharing a car to patrol the area jointly.&#13;
25.35 Marvin wasn't allowed to work on building the Quinte Mohawk School, because he wasn't a Mohawk. &#13;
27.50 Marvin ran away from home at 15. He worked in Leamington on the gas line and then moved to Detroit, Michigan and worked at Autoglass with one of his uncles. He proposed to Linda at the age of 13 and they  got engaged at 16 and married at 17 in Deseronto. Marvin worked at Ideal Vendors , then got his carpenter's licence and worked in construction in Kingston. Then he moved to Calgary in 1981 as a superintendent and then for the City as a building inspector. He had worked in Deseronto as a part-time building inspector and property standards officer. He administered the Ontario Home Renewal Program loans, getting new wiring, siding and plumbing for around 20 houses in town. Some of the loans were forgivable. Marvin was enforcing an unpopular property standards by-law, but was able to help people with the OHRP loans. He enlisted the help of the scouts to clear up neglected yards in the town. Marvin went on to become Director of Public Safety for the Yukon government, where he rewrote the Building Standards Act and zoning by-laws.&#13;
33.06 Marvin served two terms on the Town Council in Deseronto in the 1970s. Jim Sharpe was Mayor in the first year Marvin was on Council. George Lyons, Jim Sharpe and Fletcher Vick were all on the Council with him. His grandfather (Percy Brooks)  was Deputy Reeve when Marvin was on the Council – and they often disagreed. George Lyons worked hard for the town and became Warden of the County of Hastings when he was Reeve of Deseronto. Jim Sharpe was the driving force behind getting the water and sewer service for the town. The senior citizens' apartments and the arena were built in those years (early 1970s).&#13;
35.00 Marvin and Jean Jackson ran three beer festivals in Centennial Park, with tents from the Canadian Forces Base at Trenton (obtained through a disc jockey friend). Percy and Clayton Brooks (Marvin's uncle) were influential in getting Centennial Park established. Clayton was chair of the police committee, as was Marvin when he was on Council. There were three police officers employed when Marvin started, going up to four at the end of his time.&#13;
37.20 Observations on being involved with local politics. Marvin had been aware of Council activities through his grandfather – when Alcan and Dupont had been wanting to come to Deseronto.&#13;
39.30 Marvin drove a dump truck when the water and sewer system went in. But he got fired when a water main got broken (the only job he ever got fired from). &#13;
41.22 Industries in town: Zyl (Canada Optical), Deseronto Electronics (later Ideal Vendors – where Marvin worked as a spray painter), Hawleys furniture, Metcalfe's. Main Street: Post Office, restaurant, hardware store, liquor store, pool room, apartment building and the Show (Naylor's). On the other side of the road: a restaurant, Don Dawson's car dealership, Ma Jackson's restaurant, Pitcher's grocery store (one of six in town), jewellery store, bowling alley, Laundromat, bank, Gardner's department store (later Brooks's Junior Department), Ernie Luck's plumbing shop, Burkitt's grocery (later George Lyons's), Dr McVicker's office (where the Legion is now), Malley's drugstore, Mary McDonald's grocery store, the Library, the barber's shop (Leo Palmer), Therrien's grocery (later Layfield's), Booty's clothing store (became Gordon's), Ed Roach's grocery  store, Mason's clothing, Walker's grocery store, Hubble's dry cleaners and a gas station on the corner. Marvin delivered groceries for five stores when he was 16 – most people had their groceries delivered.  A busy, thriving, downtown.&#13;
45.00 Discussion about the Clapperton glass factory and the location of the photograph. Marvin's Aunt Irene owned the site and sold it to Don Dawson, who built the marina there. Linda owns a vase that was made in Deseronto. Don Dawson had been intending to build the marina on Foresters' Island, but ran into environmental issues. There were hundreds of snakes on the island. Don Dawson turned two or three pigs loose on the island and they got rid of all the snakes.&#13;
51.20 The Bay was an important part of life – fishing, swimming, skating. There was a layer of scum on it and the water was dense green with algae. Metcalfe's claimed that it was nothing to do with the canning factory. But when the factory closed, the water cleared up.&#13;
53.00 Marvin's first car was a 1950 Plymouth, which he co-owned with his brother when he was 14, but his brother wouldn't allow him to ride in it. When he was 16 he owned a 1952 Chevrolet, which he took with him when he ran away from home. 1952/3 the family bought a Dumont television, when they first became available. There were dances at the Lyons Hall and Legion for teenagers.&#13;
56.09 Memories of George Lyons – who did not get on well with Percy Brooks. Observations on how to work with fellow councillors.&#13;
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              <text>0.0 Doesn't know when her family came to Deseronto, but they came from Quebec at the end of the nineteenth century: her eldest brother was born in Deseronto in 1899. The family (the Lavertures) lived on Main Street at first, near the station, across from the Arlington Hotel. Then they moved to 66 Green Street when Tillie was five years old. It had no electricity and an outside tap. Her father, an electrician, wired the house and had water put in. Opposite the house was a big woodyard, something to do with the Rathbun Company (where the family housing complex is now). The children would play in the woodyard.&#13;
3.40 Tillie's oldest brother worked in the Clapperton glass factory – he was a glass cutter. Tillie's brothers swapped pieces of the glass for a television from Shaw's in Napanee. Tillie's father was the projectionist at the theatre in Deseronto. Professor Epps played the piano.&#13;
5.20 Tillie identified Alec in the photograph of the Clapperton glass factory and her cousin, Lena Edwards. The glass factory was behind the bowling alley (now the Deseronto Public Library). Beatrice Palmer worked at the factory, too. Her brother was out of work when the factory burnt down. He sometimes worked at the theatre, relieving his father.&#13;
8.20 Tillie had two brothers, Alec and Bill, and one sister, Mary Louise, born 1908. Tillie was born in 1916 and Bill (William) in 1913.&#13;
9.08 Tillie went to the Public School in Deseronto, and then through to Grade 12 in the High School. Then she went to Napanee and took Special Commercial. The family spoke French at home, as her mother couldn't speak English, although she could sing the song 'It's a long way to Tipperary' in English, because of the war. Her father could speak both, but the three of them spoke French at home. Tillie knew more French than English when she first started school. When her mother died in 1938, Tillie only used English and forgot a lot of her French. There were other French-speaking people in Deseronto – her Dad's mother and his sisters were all there, so it was possible for her to manage &#13;
12.50 Teachers at school: Miss Smith, Miss Warren, Mr Ostrander, Miss Long, Mr Hough, A. D. Campbell, Miss Baird and Miss Balance. In Napanee she had a teacher called Miss Daly and Mr Egan.&#13;
14.16 Tillie nearly got a job with Sears as a translator, but she stayed home, not wanting to leave Deseronto.&#13;
15.06 Tillie's father used to repair clocks and watches, as well as working in the theatre. Tillie would help him. He was a good electrician – did a lot of wiring of homes in Deseronto. Once the inspector got to know him, the inspector didn't bother checking the work, if he knew Joe Laverture had done it. He also made radios. Her cousins would come to hear the hockey on the radio. Tillie would go with him and help with the wiring when she was small.&#13;
17.43 Memories of stores on St. George Street: Ed Roach's butcher's shop, Mason's store, Froste's store, which sold scribblers for school, a hat shop (McClaughlin) – every Easter Tillie's mother would buy her a straw Easter hat with ribbons. Across the street was the undertaker, Dalton. There was a bake shop along there, too, run by the Detlors, relatives of Blanche Detlor.&#13;
20.26 Tillie worked at the Town Hall sometimes, when they were busy. Tillie lived on Mill Street when she was married, next to Blanche Detlor, whose father, Mr Ostrander, was the principal of the Public School.&#13;
22.48 Tillie lived in Napanee after she married her husband. He was from Hay Bay (died November 9, 2008). Tillie worked for Archie Burley, in the office, doing his books. He'd taken over a fuel business from Hunt's and sold cars. Tillie first worked in the office of the garage business on the Highway, then when he took over Hunt's she was transferred to the other office on the waterfront. After her marriage she stopped working and went to Hay Bay for a while. Then her sister got ill – she had polio and was going to have an operation on her foot to take the brace off. Then they bought a house at 81 Mill Street, where they stayed for 42 years. Then her husband bought a fuel and garage business in Napanee [Mill Street Gas and Oil].&#13;
25.45 The Shermans bought their Mill Street house from an auction. Only Mr Sherman turned up and the Town said that he could have the house for the amount of taxes that were owed on it ($400-500). The house had been owned by a German teacher, who had gone mad and the Shermans were allowed to keep or sell the furniture that was left by her in the house. They kept some of the books.&#13;
31.00 Tillie could remember going to Vaudeville shows at the theatre. She got in free, as her father worked there.&#13;
31.55 Her father had two cannons, one of which he would fire every New Year. The other was sold to Harry Hatch for his yacht. Tillie doesn't know what happened to the cannon. Joe Laverture made the cannons himself. One was brass and the other nickel.&#13;
34.40 Memories of other children on Green Street – McCabe family, playing hide-and-go-seek, jacks. Tillie didn't skate, but they would go down to the mill pond and played on the ice. She didn't swim. Her mother didn't work. Her sister Mary made elements for toasters for the Redi-heat company. Joe and Alec both worked at the Redi-heat company, down by the waterfront, in the big red brick building.&#13;
38.13 The Burley family had twin girls, whom Tillie babysat for, as her first job, before she went to work in the office for Archie Burley. &#13;
39.09 Always went to St. Vincent de Paul church in Deseronto – christened and married there. Her husband didn't go to church with her. Priests she remembers: Father Martin, Father Farrell, Monsignor Lacey (the last mass he said in Deseronto was Tillie's mother's funeral mass), Father O'Reilly. The church was fairly full on Sundays, but there wasn't much money in the collections, as times were hard.&#13;
41.20 Depression memories – her brother bought her clothes when he worked at the glass factory. When he wasn’t working, he would go and cut wood, because the family were on relief. At Christmas, gifts and a chicken were given to the family, but her mother didn't have enough fuel to cook the chicken, but the Houles next door brought over a bag of coal so that they cook the chicken. Her mother always said that it was important not to go to bed hungry, so they would eat a piece of toast or something. Her father wasn't working at Naylor's during the Depression.&#13;
43.46 Tillie went to Sunday School until she was 13. Tillie and her mother went to mass in the morning every day. Sunday School was in the afternoon, taught by the priest or a woman – Mrs Hunt and Nora Fox.&#13;
45.00 Mr Sherman worked on his parents' farm, brought tomatoes to the canning factory and took milk to the Hay Bay cheese factory every morning. He didn't like farming, so he didn't take over the farm from his parents, though he could have done.&#13;
47.50 Tillie's parents didn't have a car or a telephone. Mr Sherman used his parents' car and then bought new cars once he ran the garage. &#13;
49.55 Lots of snow in the winter – remembers her brother shovelling snow.&#13;
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              <text>0.0 Delores: born in Deseronto, studied nursing in Kingston in 1959 at the Hotel Dieu Hospital School of Nursing. Her mother graduated from Kingston General Hospital in 1933. Father Martin helped get her into the program there. &#13;
1.55 Evan Joseph Gardner, Delores' father, came to Deseronto in 1932 [as undertaker]. He had taken his training in Toronto and bought the business from Mr Cornstalk, in St. George Street. In 1947 he converted the Dryden House (Centre Steet) to a funeral home. The St. George Street building  (on the site of the liquor store) was a block, with Gardner's furniture store at one end, the caskets in the middle and Cora Mason's store in the third and a Chinese laundry at the end. Gardner ran an ambulance service and opened a 'Five to a Dollar' store.&#13;
4.50 Family lived in Green Street until they moved to the house on Centre Street. They lived in the whole house, but when there was a funeral, the downstairs rooms were used for the bodies. One year, the family had to have Christmas in the kitchen, as the three downstairs rooms (front room, library and dining room) were being used for three different funerals.  Their mother had to move the tree three times.&#13;
6.33 Evan Gardner came from Norwood originally, then worked in the Royal Bank in Toronto. He came to Shannonville on paydays with a satchel of money and a handgun, so people could cash their paychecks. Then he changed career and trained as an undertaker and got his embalming licence.&#13;
8.10 Story about the previous undertaker: Mr Cornstalk - a drinker – used to sleep in one of the caskets when he'd had too much to drink.&#13;
9.15 Evan and his wife met at the United Church&#13;
9.42 Describing how the funeral home was used when they lived there. It had three fireplaces, a butler's pantry, maid's pantry and coal chutes. A fun place to grow up – a back and front staircase, curved railings to slide on.  Mr Allen bought a house on George Street, the Gardners bought the Dryden House and Miss Dryden (a relation of the Rathbuns) bought the Allen house – so the three families moved on the same day. There was an alcove on the stairs.&#13;
12.00 Mrs Gardner took phone calls and helped to set the women's hair and apply make-up. She didn't continue nursing after she married. She had been a private nurse, nursing Mackenzie King's grandmother on Highway 15 for two years.&#13;
13.26 Attended Deseronto Public School. They came home at noon for lunch – envied the children from out in the country who got to eat at school. &#13;
15.25 The daughters had no involvement in the business, although Elaine did used to play at burying her dolls. Once Elaine tied herself up as Joan of Arc (to the stake) – Delores rescued her from dying.&#13;
17.10 Memories of Deseronto Public School. Both sisters enjoyed it. Used to sit on the wall at recess. At the High School there was only one person in Grade 13 and six in Grade 12.&#13;
18.18 Delores bowled in the bowling alley and was a member of CGIT (Canadian Girls in Training) and in Brownies and Guides and in the choir of the United Church, with Nora and Jessica Cochrane. The organist was Gerald McCaul. The choir was full, with six men and ten or twelve women. &#13;
19.57 Elaine was taught Sunday School by Mrs Joyce and Delores remembered Mrs Townsend, the minister's wife and Mrs German before that. They got a star for attendance.&#13;
21.00 Janie Armitage was Delores' best friend in Public School. They got water from the Puttnam family's well on the corner of Green Street when they lived there. There was a little grocery store in the street – Delores once was sent with tickets to buy milk during the war and broke the bottle. Her father had some extra coupons. The coal came in a horse and cart. Her parents worked well together.&#13;
22.45 Dr Harold Boyce and Cecil Duffield were friends of the Gardners. George Jackson would help Mr Gardner. Mr Don Walker helped with lifting people. Mr Gardner had a 7-passenger Plymouth which could be used as an ambulance. In 1940 he got a Cadillac hearse – Delores' aunt was peeking out of the back window and scared the other drivers. It had carvings on the side in the form of velvet drapes and a cross that could go on top for Catholic funerals. No animosity between the denominations in Deseronto. Mr Gardner belonged to the Lions Club, the Independent Order of Foresters, the Oddfellows and Masons. The youngest Master in Deseronto in his time.&#13;
27.02 Went to movies at Naylor's Theatre on Saturday afternoon for a nickel, seeing two features and cartoons. They put on plays there when they were in Public School, to a full theatre. The Gardners' mother remembered when it was a Vaudeville theatre and Delores believed that Buffalo Bill Cody played there (a friend of Mrs Martin on the reserve).&#13;
28.30 Evan Gardner's wife's uncle, Russell Thomas lived in Deseronto. He worked for Canadian Pacific as a telegraph operator, as he was losing his sight.&#13;
30.00 The funeral business was sold in 1949, to Jack White. Mr Gardner was diagnosed with a disease that prevented him doing the undertaking.The family stayed in Deseronto.&#13;
31.42 Cars – Plymouth, then a Chrysler Royale. Delores' father in law was a doctor, who could have got a new car during World War Two, but he got theirs painted instead, much to the disappointment of his family.&#13;
32.27 Television – the Gardners were the last people to get one. Were living over the store in Main Street then, around 1954. Cecil Duffield took his own TV apart to see how it worked, but couldn't get it back together. Had crank phones – phoned the operator in Malley's drugstore. Miss Roach was one of them. The store was 67 and the house 60.&#13;
34.00 From the funeral home they moved to the apartment above the current Dollar Store on Main Street. It had been a hotel and during the war Mr Gardner made three apartments on the upper floor and rented them out to airmen.&#13;
35.00 Delores banked with CIBC as a child. The alarm for the bank was in the Gardners' store, next door. Elaine worked out how to trigger the alarm by throwing her ball up at it. Mr Gardner had his car stolen three times from outside their house in Green Street. It was found in Peterborough, Belleville and Trenton – he always got it back.&#13;
37.00 Delores remembered a big bonfire by the canning factory at the end of World War Two – they burned effigies of Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito on an empty lot. She worried that bombs might land on Deseronto – she didn't know how far away England was. Remembers being careful and rationing. Elaine remembers being told not to go past the end of Green Street.&#13;
39.30 The Lions Club used to have events in the summer in Rathbun Park. The girls rode their bike around town a lot. Delores worked for her father during vacations in the Five to a Dollar store, wearing roller skates behind the counter so that she'd be tall enough. She shut her fingers in the cash registers once. They'd visit their grandparent and aunts. There was a polio epidemic twice, so her mother would always go into houses they visited to make sure that no-one was sick before the girls could go in. They used to swim off the dock, which was very deep. Elaine had a rope attached to her bathing suit.&#13;
42.19 Businesses: clothing store at the corner of St. George Street, Mr McCullough's drug store – he was responsible for issuing driving licences. Mrs Gardner didn't drive, so Delores did a lot of the driving, as soon as she reached 16. Everyone knew the route for the driving test – down the Main Street, up to the Highway, down to the cemetery, turn around and back into town – no parking involved. You got the licence that day. The Macdonald's grocery store came later. Malley's was a great place for sundaes, sodas and magazines. Jewellery store – Gerald Lott. Next to the Gardner's shop, Ernie Luck had a furnace business and next to that was Burkitt's grocery store, with Wannamaker's butcher's department. Then the bowling alley and another meat market, run by Ken Jackson. Dawson's car dealership. On St. George Street there was Cecil's repair shop and Stover and Sager's groceries.&#13;
45.10 The Gardners always did their grocery shopping locally. Mrs Gardner always sent them out for ground round steak, rather than hamburger. The liquor store was in the Baker Block on Main Street and next to it was the hardware store and pool hall – which the Gardner sister were to stay out of – that was all for men. The United Restaurant was owned by the Chapmans then. Beside it was a small house with the Napanee Reporter newspaper offices on the lower floor and an apartment above it. Lauren Clark's father had the mill.&#13;
47.00 Metcalfe's – memories of taking peas from the back of the trucks as they came into the canning factory.&#13;
47.40 A large mirror with a marble base in the funeral home was originally from Oronyatekha's house. The Gardner sisters own the mirror and base still. The family used to fish around Foresters' Island.&#13;
49.30 The Gardners could see the ferry from their apartment on Main Street and would watch the ice coming and going. Farley Mowatt's boat was down at the marina. Mrs Gardner painted a picture of the church on the Reserve.&#13;
50.55 Winters – used to toboggan behind the Public School. Skated down by the glass factory. Hagerman boy fell through the ice and died of pneumonia. The sisters skated a lot. Delores played hockey on the school team, wearing figure skates. &#13;
53.19 Family moved to Kingston in 1968. Delores was married in Deseronto in 1959. She did school nursing with her father-in-law. Did some camp nursing at Camp Iowa in the summers. Now lives in Battersea, Elaine in Kingston. &#13;
57.38 Railways were still running to the canning factory and coal yards when the Gardners lived in Deseronto, but there were no passenger trains in the town then. Behind their apartment on Main Street, the bank and Ernie Luck let them use their land and Mr Gardner rented land from the railway, to make a garden. He raised pheasants and rabbits. He used to use banty hens from Mrs Maracle and Mrs Barnhart to hatch the eggs.&#13;
59.56 Went to Prince Edward County for apples in the Fall. Mr Gardner was pleased to have the bridge. They liked going over on the ferry and to the Sandbanks. There was a lot more snow in the winter. They were here for Hurricane Hazel – at a movie in Kingston when it happened. Some trees down in this area.&#13;
1.02.25 Delores' bedroom was in the front of the funeral home: the first time the fire alarm went off startled her: it looked like the fire truck was heading straight for her room.&#13;
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0.0 Born on a farm west of Enterprise in 1930. Moved April  1, 1938 to his current farm Deseronto. No electricity in the farm in Enterprise until 1937. Fred Perry, an entrepreneur owned the farm, which was run by his son, Hugh. Fingland family took over the farm.  It didn't have any electricity. Mr Fingland senior dug the holes and put in the poles and agreed with the Town's Reeve, Mr Kirby and Stan Hughes, the foreman of the utilities that they would put in the wires down Finglands Lane. Only dug wells – took the cows up to the creek to drink. Had to bring them down into town to drink from water troughs by the Public School, seven or eight at a time.&#13;
3.54 House and barns built by the Rathbun family. The main house burnt down in around 1906. The Moon family owned it in the First World War. Had to cut down some of the trees at the lower end of the lane when they built the airport at Camp Rathbun. Story about the German spy who was caught interfering with the wires on the aircraft, causing them to crash. He was shot at the quarry and buried there.&#13;
7.00 Cecil used to cut ice out of the bay. Archie Burley had a coal yard down by the bay.&#13;
7.55 The farm was an experimental farm under the Rathbuns. Bob Moon had a dairy in Deseronto and a large family – they owned the farm during the First World War. The Finglands have been there for 72 years. The current house and barns were in poor shape when they moved in, so they hired Hiram Barnhart (who lived on the Reserve) to fix them up and put new cedar siding on the house&#13;
10.40 Had as many as 50 cows and as much as 20 acres of tomatoes, growing them for canneries Deseronto, Shannonville and Canada Packers in Belleville. The Metcalfe cannery in Deseronto could process 400 bushels of tomatoes an hour: four men working continually. John Baer was the popular canning variety of tomato in the early years, followed by Clark's Early. Fred Powell ran the show – very good at growing tomato plants – farmers would be lining up with their wagons on May 24 to collect their plant. They were grown in hot beds. Lots of people involved in the picking of the crop later on.&#13;
13.45 Woodcock family, tenants of the Finglands, had a big garden and would grow all their food for the winter. Farmers would be lined up to offload their tomatoes, but they could be rejected if they were not of a good enough quality. The hot beds would be covered with hay at night. Thirty or forty peelers were employed at the canning factory and at least a hundred in all at the tomato plant. Alice Brant picked tomatoes for the Finglands, and would bring up her family to help if there was going to be a frost. Took two to three weeks to get all the tomatoes planted at the farm.&#13;
17.25 Canning factory photograph – memories of Cribby Blake, who appears in it. He was run over by a wagon at one point. He had four children who did very well. He babysat for the Fingland children when they first moved to Deseronto, as he didn't get on well with his wife. Norm Macmillan had the blacksmith's shop. Fred Powell was the chauffeur for Clayton Metcalfe's father and was in charge of growing the tomato plants. The factory processed peas, corn and carrots.&#13;
21.30 Farm was mainly dairy, but also grew pigs. Jerry Fox on Maple Avenue had a pig and lost it: Don invited him to his farm to see if he could identify his pig amongst the fifty or more there. They would take an old 1936 Chevrolet and fill it with eight or ten six-year-old pigs and take them to the market in Belleville to sell them for $13 a pair and come home with $75 to $80.&#13;
23.17 War changed things – for the better. Don's dad worked at the Mohawk airport as a painter – new buildings going up. The airmen were supposed to help the farmers. One called Whitey helped out on their farm. In around 1942 Don's father picked up a hitchhiker at Kingston called Jimmy King, heading for Kingsville. He'd been kicked out of the army because he was too young. Ended up staying at the farm to help out. His family was a boxing family and knew magic tricks. Malley's drugstore fixed up soda fountains and stools for the airmen.&#13;
26.31 The Sexsmith house on Highway 2 (former Rathbun property) – was divided into apartments. It had a bowling alley between it and the Wigwam. One night, Arnold Kimmerly's apartment caught fire and the bowling alley burnt down. Don helped remove furniture, but the bowling alley burnt down. Ross Sexsmith developed the area around the house – Centre Street, Maple Avenue and Stanley Street – after the war. It had been used for cattle by Harold Rathbun before that (Pat Fox and Vince Culhane mentioned in this context). Arnold Kimmerly did all the plastering for the new houses. There was a barn to the north of the Wigwam, whose foundations are still there.&#13;
31.45 Deseronto Public School: Miss Bowen, Miss Warren, Miss Hunt (grade 3 &amp; 4), Miss Burley (grade 5), Jean Schell, Mr Nobes. Bill Schell (Jean's brother) managed the theatre [Naylor's] – Eleanor Tunnicliffe looked after the tickets and the popcorn. A good movie on Monday and Tuesdays. Amateur night and photo nights on Wednesdays and Thursdays, in the intermission. War films on Saturdays and news reels. Bill and Eleanor eloped after a movie one night (she was still quite young).&#13;
Part two:&#13;
0.0 The school had separate entrances for the boys and girls. Don's father was on the school board. The children played in the field where the current Public School is, during recess. &#13;
2.16 Don was at the High School in Deseronto through to grade 13. Mr Hough – one of the teachers at the High School – was one of the senior boys' Sunday School teacher. Mr Bowen, principal of the Public School, taught the junior boys.&#13;
3.20 Stores on St. George Street – Roach and Whitton meat store, on site of the current LCBO. Whitton family supplied the meat, Ed Roach ran the store. "Is that meat tender, Ed?" "It's as tender as a woman's heart."&#13;
4.43 Washrooms at Deseronto Public School were inside, unlike the school Don started at in Enterprise. Grades 7 and 8 went to the High School as cadets two or three times a week during the war, with High School boys as their officers. Learnt how to fire guns at the canning factory. Don had to get up early in May to help on the farm, as there was a shortage of labour during the war. In some years, the High School didn't open until October because the children were needed to work at the canning factory. One year, there was a new furnace being put into the High School and it didn't open until the end of  November. Clifford Reed was principal at that time, who taught math – too quickly.&#13;
9.22 Bought groceries at Stover &amp; Sagers (became Walker's), Ed Roach's butcher's store. Cora Mason's Five and Dime store. Chinese laundry in the same group of buildings.&#13;
10.00 Houses being torn down when the Finglands arrived in Deseronto. Hagerman's bakery. Canada Optical used to be a creamery, owned by the Therrien family. Finglands' milk used to go to a condensery in Napanee.&#13;
12.50 Farm buildings – work done by Don to improve them. No milking of cows done their now. A hostler used to live in the long barn. There were as many as 50 teams of horses there in the Rathbun days. Used to be a cottage on the lane, too. Don worked on the farm as soon as he was able to stand up. His mother had eczema on her hands. He had two brothers and a sister and was the eldest. When the Korean War started in 1950, the family bought a farm in Don's name to prevent him from being conscripted. In 1968 he went back to the family farm, which was 171 acres. The Kimmett farm was owned by the Trust and Loan Company and there was still an airstrip on the east side of the Boundary Road when the Finglands moved into their farm in 1938. There was still a hangar there, too.&#13;
22.14 Don worked at the Ideal Vendors plant one winter when they instituted a night shift, but otherwise he only worked on a farm. The Finglands originally came from Scotland and the first Fingland worked as a stonemason at Fort Henry in Kingston. His mother's family were Daveys, who were United Empire Loyalists at Bath. The Davey House (where Don's grandfather was raised) is still there, as a heritage building. The Finglands were Presbyterian, so in Enterprise they became members of the United Church when the churches merged in 1925. In Deseronto the minister was Reverend McAvoy ("as Presbyterian as you can get"). &#13;
26.30 Don taught Sunday School. The United Church was full in 1940. Sunday School was held in the afternoon, taught mainly by school teachers. Don was president of the Young People's group for the district. Lots of social activity. Much fewer people attending the church now. Later on, the Sunday School was held in the morning before the church service.&#13;
31.06 The family's first car was a 1929 Chevrolet. The first new car was in 1955, bought from Archie Burley and was an automatic, sandy, with leopardskin seats.  Bought a new car every five years, as they got rusty. &#13;
34.21 Used a 'cellar-away' to keep the milk cool. Other people in town used ice boxes or lowered 30-gallon cans of milk into the well to keep it cool. Put a milk-house up in 1943 or 1944, which pumped water from a well around the cans. Got electric coolers in the 1960s.&#13;
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2.07 Remembering the birth of his brother, George and other siblings, Eric and Mary&#13;
3.16 Trading the house in Maple Avenue for the 43 acre farm – which was near to Deseronto Junction station, when the railway was still running. Previously owned by John Kitchen. Cecil's father [William] Put new roofs on the barn and house, borrowing money from George van der Water of Deseronto in order to pay for it. Was hard to pay the money back.&#13;
6.12 Went to Mount Pleasant School (S.S. 3, Richmond), between the ages of 7 and 12. Left when he was tall enough to harness the horses. Not enough money in the family for Cecil to attend High School.&#13;
7.34 Cecil worked on the farm. Remembering the first day he made a dollar: from Bob Rennie on Highway 2, stooking 22 acres of grain in a day. He worked for Edgar Burley in the grist mill in Deseronto (now Hudson's Mill) and at the livery stables.&#13;
9.45 Girlfriend was a telephone operator at Malley's store in Main Street. Married when he was 19 and she was 18 (in 1943), at the Presbyterian church. She was a French woman, who lived in Mill Street. Her father was caretaker of the High School – Thomas Merry. Her mother was only 15 years older than her daughter. They originally came from Northern Ontario. His wife (Germaine) died in 1992.&#13;
13.00 Cecil took milk to Shannonville – to the cheese factory at Mountain Chase, for John Blewitt which closed in 1952.&#13;
14.55 Cecil's mother was a Wager, which is why the family came back to Deseronto during the Depression (she was one of eight children). Her uncle, Cecil, died in North Dakota of typhoid fever, and her father followed him and also died of typhoid, when his mother was 12. Her mother had a small farm in Maple Avenue in Deseronto. Cecil's father originally came from Catchacoma, north of Peterborough. He drove a horse to Deseronto/Napanee. Cecil remembers a horse at the farm, Bessie, having to be shot, after it was kicked by the horse from Catchacoma.&#13;
18.30 Cecil bought his 50 acre farm in 1943 for $2,750, taking over a mortgage from his father.  The farm on Maple Avenue was next to Mrs Burnup's house. The farm was later bought by Mrs Cranston, who sold unpasteurized 'milk for cats and dogs' in Deseronto. The two dairies in town were run by the Moons and Rendells. There was a lot of brucellosis in cattle at the time.&#13;
21.20 Location of the farm – to the west of Finglands Lane. A big white frame house.&#13;
22.40 Rathbuns had left the town by the time the Root family came here. Nora Rathbun was the only one left. Cecil's father (William) built his house on Thomas/Centre, buying the lot from the town for $15. If the lots weren't on the sewer, they only cost $10. William worked at Canada Zyl.&#13;
24.35 Cecil worked in Napanee at Lenadco for 19 years.&#13;
25.00 Discussion about churches – the gospel hall didn't have an ordained minister, so Cecil got married through the Presbyterian church.&#13;
26.00 Stores in Deseronto: five grocery stores – Arthur Rendell, Therrien's, Stover and Sager, Newman's on the Highway. Undertaker's, furniture store on St. George Street. Wagers and Asaltines were Cecil's family. Cora Mason owned a dry goods store. She lived in the Dryden house (now the McGlade funeral home). Hudson's mill had a big shed for horses.&#13;
28.58 On April 23rd, when Cecil was 15, he shovelled snow on the Boundary Road for 15 cents an hour, for the County. The Marysville side road was shovelled at 10 cents an hour, for welfare.&#13;
30.00 Don Dawson owned a garage and showroom in the town – where Cecil saw his first television – a Marconi – they had trouble getting a picture on it). There was no electricity at Cecil's house, because the war had stopped the installation of hydro. There is an oil pipeline across Cecil's property, six feet deep, all dug by hand. The contractor was Mr Belch. Cecil got work digging the trench and used the money to buy his first television, sometime in the 1950s.&#13;
35.00 Talking about George, Cecil's brother, working at the Ideal Vendors&#13;
35.21 Television programs: Jackie Gleason, Jimmy Durante, Ed Sullivan, western shows, all US shows, nothing Canadian. Farm program on the radio at 12.45.&#13;
37.15 Cecil has been retired for 26 years. He drove snowploughs for Richmond township from 1963 to 1971, then for the Lenadco seniors' home in Napanee.&#13;
38.50 The grist mill was used to grind grain to feed animals – Cecil worked there for Mr Burley, then for John Clark, who had the mail route RR#1 around Deseronto, in his Model A Ford. Cecil watched the mill while Clark did the mail. After Clark, the mill was owned by Roger Blewitt and Cecil worked part-time for him.&#13;
40.10 The canning factory was an important business in the town. Cecil's wife picked the tomatoes and Cecil drove them to the canning factory in the 1940s. Then he took milk from Deseronto to Shannonville for Blewitt.&#13;
41.30 The grist mill's last owners were Al Harris and his wife. Arnold Hudson owned the mill after Blewitt.&#13;
44.50 Entertainment – played euchre and had square dances, played mouth organ. His sister's husband played the violin and George played the guitar. Came into Deseronto daily.&#13;
46.46 Neighbours bought the farm from Cecil&#13;
47.11 First car – 1927 Chevrolet, bought from Archie Burley for $50, from his garage opposite the Catholic church on the Highway, when he was 16. Had a Model A Ford in 1943 when he got married.&#13;
49.20 Eric and Cecil went to an auction sale and bought a 1926/1927 Model T Ford truck for $11. They ruined it, but Cecil wishes they'd kept it.  Cecil didn't like shooting things – has shot one rabbit and one duck in his life, but Eric drove the van round the field until it ran out of gas and then shot it full of holes.&#13;
51.55 There was a swimming hole in the creek, with a rope hanging down from an elm tree, where the children used to play. The water was clean then and there were many fish in it. It's not clean now.&#13;
53.15 Cecil's children went to school in Deseronto. One daughter worked at Ideal Vendors and now lives in London, the other lives in Belleville. His son was born in 1952 and went to school in Napanee and then to Loyalist College in Belleville. Then he worked for Bell. His children are all in the restaurant business. No family still in Deseronto.&#13;
57.16 Cecil got his first telephone when he was working for Harold Lasher in Napanee at the feed mill in the 1950s. Harold helped him get a phone so that he could call Cecil when he need him.  It was a party line with 11 people on it. Everybody listened – no use saying anything private on there, but if there was a fire or emergency, then everyone would help. Cecil worried that he'd sound like Uncle Josh – talking about victrolas, gramophone records and wax cylinders.&#13;
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2.00 George worked at Deseronto Electronics (on the match factory (later the arena) site, Mill Street) for a long time, making Arvo radios and Snider[?] record players. Then Ideal Vendors took over the site, manufacturing vending machines and George worked there for 26 years. Mr Brand was the original manager, then Charlie Gray took over. &#13;
3.30 George took a course in refrigeration in the 1960s and was then responsible for fridges in Ideal Vendors until it closed down in around 1970. The vending machines were for soda. They also made filing cabinets and skate sharpeners.&#13;
6.20 George set up his own refrigeration company. He didn't have a lot of education – they went to a one-room school, by horse. Took a lot of night-school courses to get his refrigeration licence.&#13;
7.40 Repaired ice-machines, hotel, store and domestic refrigerators, working out of his garage at home. His business was called Root Refrigeration ('get to the root of the trouble').&#13;
9.02 Discussion of house on Thomas Street (at corner of Centre Street) that William Root built and his job at the optical factory.&#13;
11.20 One of the family farms was taken over by Eric (who also did welding), George's brother, and another brother, Cecil took over another. His sister Mary also lives on a farm. William had 200 acres in all. Bought his first tractor in 1945, which is still in operation, being shown at fairs.&#13;
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18.23 His brother Cecil left school at 11 and his sister was the only one of the family to go to High School. Mrs Callaghan was one of his teachers. Sometimes there were as many as 36 children in the school, sometimes only 20. Cold in the winter, with one stove. The Women's Institute donated a large canner, so that the children could bring in jars of soup and have hot soup at lunchtime. Everyone would come to the Christmas Concert at the school. There was an organ at the school, but no piano.  S.S. 3 Richmond on Highway 502.&#13;
23.17 Has lived in his current house (at Thomas and Second Streets) for 51 years. Paid $2,800 dollars for it. In poor condition. Had a black and white television, which was in the room next to the one with the stove, so they watched it from a distance. George earned about $50 a week at Ideal Vendors.&#13;
25.42 George married his wife in 1960, through correspondence. She was from the United States. She helped George in his business, picking up parts. She lived in Candor, New York and worked in a shoe factory in Owego for nine years.&#13;
29.08 Stores in Deseronto: Oscar Fitchett's store on Main Street, Stover and Sager's store on St. George Street (opposite the LCBO) – George remembers his father buying a big bottle of drink for 10 cents there. There was a dry goods store on the corner of Thomas and St George Street (in the apartment building – the Clement Block). There was a creamery where the optical plant was, later (the fleamarket) when George was a child. Small stores in people's houses.&#13;
31.52 Waterfront area – foundry in the fleamarket building before the creamery. Nora Rathbun. Sawmill – Hawley Brothers' furniture. His father paid $75 for his building lot – houses being torn down. The front of George's house was burnt during the big fire of 1896.&#13;
34.30 Pool hall on Main Street – Cecil played there, 10 cents a game. Women weren't allowed in. Gambling went on, too. Hudson's mill – owned by Mr Burley. Root family's wheat would be turned into porridge there.&#13;
36.28 Horses were the main means of transport. Hired people to shovel the Boundary Road clear of snow in the war.  Talk of 'Bennett buggies' – horses towing cars because people couldn't afford gas, named after Prime Minister &#13;
38.20 Family attended the Little Brethren church, with Sunday School in the afternoon. They took their own lunch. The church was moved from Mill Street.&#13;
40.10 Dance floors around the town in the 1940s – would charge a certain amount for each dance. Therrien's grocery store was next to Griddle Me This restaurant, which would deliver groceries by horse and cart.&#13;
41.50 Went to church in Belleville, then went to the Baptist church with his wife. Now attend a Wesleyan church, which is easier to access for his wife.&#13;
42.45 First car was a Model A Ford. His girlfriend drove the car into a ditch. George flattened the tire and didn't get into trouble with the police, who assumed that a blow-out had caused the accident. His girlfriend found a new boyfriend, as George's car was wrecked.&#13;
45.45 Music – George plays electric steel guitar (dobro) in a band – the Salmon River Singers. Used to camp in a trailer at Pleasant Bay in Prince Edward County.&#13;
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16.20 High School – not many options for studying different subjects. At the Public School Cathie was sent home a few times by Mr Runnalds in Grade 8. In High School she was sent home for smoking and swearing.&#13;
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27.10 Swam at the pump house in the summer, take peas off the back of the trucks at Metcalfe's. Cathie worked at Sweetenham's Motel (now Friendly Manor) for 25 cents an hour. Regular customers from the United States. Thought of as classier than the restaurants in town.&#13;
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55.55 Talk about the way Fourth Street and the United Church used to look – removal of the trees that used to be there. Cathie now attends Christ Church and attended Holy Trinity in Shannonville before that (which was also closed down).&#13;
57.30 Discussion about joining the Deseronto Public Library.&#13;
58.00 Bad winters: 1977. Heating in the house.&#13;
59.40 Cars: first car, bought from Anson Lloyd, didn't have a floor. Bought three rooms of furniture for $99 and a TV for $50 when they got married. Discussion of music technology.&#13;
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              <text>Part 1: 0.0 Arrival in September 1972 as Rector of Parish of Tyendinaga and Chaplain to Her Majesty's Loyal Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte: the first clergyman to have two separate appointments to the position. Presented with a key to commemorate the occasion by the Mohawks.&#13;
2.00 Process of being appointed to the post of Chaplain by the Mohawks.&#13;
3.45 Presented with a red cassock by the Orange Lodge. Discussion about being a Canon of St. George's Cathedral in Kingston.&#13;
5.45 Interaction between parish and Deseronto: some parishioners lived  and/or in the town, including at the Canada Zyl factory: story about Dick Ellis, MP.&#13;
7.45 Move away from the parish: no funding for his children to attend the Mohawk school&#13;
8.50 'Regularizing' unions of unmarried couples: three weddings a week on average in one year&#13;
9.35 Stories about Bishop Jack Burnett Creeggan&#13;
12.00 Funding for schooling on the Reserve and of Rev Betts' children&#13;
13.18 Rector who had been in India, expecting parishioners to do the housework&#13;
13.50 Discussion of location of former, brick, rectory, barn and the church at Kingsford, and building work undertaken on the current rectory.&#13;
18.10 History of the Anglican church on the Reserve&#13;
20.00 Mention of Rev. Pringle, artist his paintings and his dogs&#13;
21.00 Move to Kemville and then Tamworth and St. Luke's, Kingston, retirement&#13;
24.00 Discussion of urban poulty-keeping, bindweed removal by sheep, and local school bus driver, Tom (who was the last person in Deseronto to keep chickens).&#13;
28.45 Interaction between Native and non-Native peoples in the church. There were non-Native people in the congregation at Christ Church, including Farley Mowat's father [Angus]&#13;
31.15 Shopping in Belleville and Deseronto: Gerald Lott's jewellery store, George Lyons' grocery store; Lions Club, chicken barbecue; Mr Lush the bank manager; [Luck's] hardware store; Malley's drugstore; Dr [Daniel Clarence] McVicker&#13;
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Part 2 0.0 Dr McVicker: owned a duck pond; story about being appointed executor of a man on the Reserve, 1977-1978 and dealing with McCracken, Indian Agent in Deseronto; writing wills for members of the Band&#13;
6.05 Buildings and activities of the Lions Club in Deseronto; 36 members; meals prepared by Rev Betts and Bill Hendry, the United Church minister&#13;
11.30 Scouts, clubs, guides in Deseronto&#13;
12.25 Masonic Lodge; admission of first Mohawk member to the Masons in late 1970s&#13;
15.07 Orange Lodge on the Reserve&#13;
17.00 Sporting activities: children skating at the arena in Deseronto&#13;
18.27 Mrs Betts bowled in the Mohawk League on the site of the current library&#13;
19.50 Interdenominational activities in Deseronto; Dutch priests at the Roman Catholic church; story about Cummings brothers at Kempville; Presbyterian Church members less keen on cross-church activities&#13;
25.45 Teaching at Quinte Mohawk School when police cars pulled up, during a stand-off at the Band Council offices on the Mohawk Territory&#13;
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Part 3: 0.25 Memories of Public Library in its former location&#13;
1.30 Dealing with winter weather; trying to revive game of snowsnake; Melville Hill's collection of memorabilia and the Queen Anne silver&#13;
4.58 Awkwardness of the Queen Anne silver as communion ware&#13;
6.55 Problems with water along Bayshore Road before municipal water was installed; using the fire truck's water if they were going to dump it&#13;
7.43 Founding member (c.1976) of the Mohawk Fire Department with Garnet, Bud and Geoffrey Maracle; practiced at the Airport once a week with an old FWD Air Force fire truck&#13;
10.20 Stories of responses to fire calls; problems with poorly-built houses; development of the Fire Department; pulling skidooers out of the Bay of Quine&#13;
16.20 Story of body in a well&#13;
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